05-22-03 DemoLog
006: Ears for a MerMan
Biz-Archive/MSAT/ClayArt/WebCam/DemoPix-005.htm check to see how to line up an ear.
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jakmiami joined the room
jakmiami: hi NJ...Judith K. here from sunny California this time! How're things?
auntyalias: you're in CA?
auntyalias: Oh you're visiting folks
auntyalias: where in CA are you right now?
jakmiami: yep! down in Saratoga.
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auntyalias: Hey Jude and Nancy
jude: Howdy!
auntyalias: Where's Saratoga?
techi_mom56: hi
auntyalias: Is that in Southern California?
jakmiami: a few klicks south of San Jose
auntyalias: wow, you're really close by
jude: There is a Saratoga in New York, too.
auntyalias: San Jose is only an hour on the freeway from me
bonsaikathy joined the room
auntyalias: Hey Kathy
auntyalias: I wanted to ask you a question
bonsaikathy: Hi All
jude: How is everyone doing tonight?
bonsaikathy: fine and you
jakmiami: yes, and if we can work things out I'd love to come and visit next week...i'll email you off list about it.
techi_mom56: okay here...
auntyalias: Kathy, would you like to become a Moderator for the list. I know it's putting you on the spot with witnesses here and everything
auntyalias: you can say no and I won't get my feelings hurt, I know you're a busy gal
jude: You back in leaf mode, NJ?
auntyalias: but you do so much for the list
auntyalias: Ya been doing leaves, pressing sheets and covering tins all day
bonsaikathy: Wow, can you write me and let me know what's involved?
jude: Looks great. Gold/copper?
auntyalias: gold and black on black, Jude
jude: Love it!
auntyalias: nothing is involved but you getting a feel for it. When you want to take on more than just the title, you let me know.
jakmiami: pretty!
techi_mom56: nice color combo
bonsaikathy: sure
jude: Love that chevron flip.
auntyalias: that's how I've done it with everyone else, you're already doing the Tornado relief volunteer duty, you should be Moderator
auntyalias: doing that
auntyalias: Ya, it's a good stand by because Merrie didn't want to do sculpting figures or faces.
auntyalias: LOL
bonsaikathy: I'd be happy to do so
bonsaikathy: I'm honored that you asked
auntyalias: ok, I'll change your settings and I'll go post to the list that you're our new CoModerator
jude: That flip is the very first thing I tried that you showed us to do that worked for me!
bonsaikathy: thanks NJ
auntyalias: for everyone else, on my home page are the logs and pictures of today's demo so far, think of what you'd like to see done when I get back from doing what I'm doing, it'll take a few minutes. Thank you Kathy.
jude: I hope everyone is having some good weather finally.
jude: It was gorgeous here today...at last!
jude: A tad warm, but after this last cold, cold winter, I sure didn't mind.
bonsaikathy: the weather here has been the worst we've seen in all the years we've lived here
jude: Oh, no, Kathy!
bonsaikathy: we've barely had any sunshine in months
bonsaikathy: it rains most every day
jude: Believe it or not, we had snow just a few weeks ago.
jude: I like the rain, but it can get very old if it rains day after day.
bonsaikathy: yup
bonsaikathy: pretty depressing
bonsaikathy: we've had all the grand ole opry stars that are singing at dollywood staying at the hotel and they've all been complaining about it
techi_mom56: laugh...sounds like nw oregon
auntyalias: ok posted to the list, let me change the links on the Moderator's page
jude: It does, doesn't it, Nancy? LOL!
jude: I have some snackies here...Oreos, chocolate filled, some...let me see...chips, peanuts, oh, and chocolate, of course. Any takers?
shargoose joined the room
bonsaikathy: I'm on the way, lol
auntyalias: ok I think I made all the changes I need to make. Since Melly and Michelle Holley in FL have been MIA for so long I removed their Moderator status. Got to get new blood in here.
bonsaikathy: Hi Sharon
jude: I hope they are doing OK.
shargoose: Hi there girl
auntyalias: Michelle H. Has health problems, Melly and Hayley had financial problems
jude: What a shame.
bonsaikathy: I know, I can't believe it's been so long since Melly came to say hello
auntyalias: but no need them getting notifications of people joining and leaving and all that
shargoose: NJ got 30 photos of the tin out of 96
auntyalias: Oh hey, Sharon, did you get them up in the Epson albums?
shargoose: No,
auntyalias: as soon as they are there we can invite folks to come see them, no hurry
shargoose: I need the site addy and password
auntyalias: I put up the old album as a place saver..oh let me give that information to you in private message
shargoose: That's why I dropped in
shargoose: You can e-mail them to me
auntyalias: just sent them to you in private message
auntyalias: great, I LOVE team work
auntyalias: thanks honey
bonsaikathy: Sharon did you get my answer through email today to your question about the pooh scene
shargoose: Yes Bonsai
bonsaikathy: ok hon, just wanted to make sure you got it
bonsaikathy: I got lucky, they had 2 of those left, I bought them both
shargoose: Sorry Kathy, just doing some side work here.
bonsaikathy: i'ts ok honey
bonsaikathy: I understand completely
shargoose: Yes I want a Piglet scene. We'll arrage sime $ to be sent,
auntyalias: ok, now has anyone thought of what they would like to see in demo this evening, it's not often we get a Marathon Demo Day
bonsaikathy: Ok just email me when it's convenient for you and I'll get started on it tomorrow
auntyalias: I could continue with this and cover another tin, but we've done two tins today already
shargoose: You can e-mail me your address so's I can send you some mula
jakmiami: well, since i'm on a sculpture kick...maybe ears??
auntyalias: we could build a figure, or sculpt a face, or what?
bonsaikathy: I'd love to stay in NJ but time for me to hit the hay
bonsaikathy: Ok Sweetie, I'll email you in the morning, OK
auntyalias: Judith, I got someone here who needs some ears
auntyalias: MerMan
jude: Cat?
jude: Hehehehe
jakmiami: super!
bonsaikathy: hugs to everyone
bonsaikathy: Night
shargoose: Gotta go put photos up.
shargoose: I'll list them as tin Demo and todays date?
shargoose: Is that OK?
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shargoose: Or shou be leaf tin Demo
shargoose: Ya, that sounds better
auntyalias: Sharon
auntyalias: it's WebCam: Leaf Tin
auntyalias: that will work
shargoose: Got ya. Will do
shargoose: Bye
auntyalias: thank you so much Sharon
shargoose:
shargoose left the room
jude: Night Sharon.
auntyalias: I'm smoothing out the sketched on ears because I wanted to show you how I get the placement for the ears in the first place, but I got to get some more juice before I start
auntyalias: brb
jakmiami: Doing ears on MerMan
auntyalias: Placement on ears
auntyalias: the end of the jaw is the start of the ears
auntyalias: if you touch the end of your jaw and push your finger upward
auntyalias: you finger will go into your ear
auntyalias: check it out
jakmiami: that it does
auntyalias: folks don't have ears that start in front of their jaw line
auntyalias: and if their ears are further back it looks right weird
auntyalias: now that gives us the vertical line and I'll draw it in on the MerMan here
auntyalias: it's messy but ti's the line
auntyalias: it's the line
auntyalias: now do this on your own face, from the corner of your eye, draw a line with your finger and you'll end up at the top of the ear
auntyalias: the start of the top of the ear
auntyalias: a little bit of your ear will be above that line from the eye, but not much, unless you're Vulcan
auntyalias: or an Elf
jude: Or a Romulan.
auntyalias: yes, that too
auntyalias: or an elephant
jakmiami: not to mention a ferengi!
auntyalias: LOL
auntyalias: or a troll doll
auntyalias: so I'll draw a line from the corner of MerMan's eye going to the line that came up from the jaw
auntyalias: now we just got to figure out where the bottom of the ear will be
auntyalias: from the side of your nose, drawing a line with your finger, go out and see that line ends up at the opening of the ear, the lobe will be below it in most cases
auntyalias: does that work with all y'all?
jude: Yup!
jakmiami: is the lobe about at the mouth line?
auntyalias: just above the mouth line in most folks, but there's variation in lobes, some folks ain't got them and some have Buddha lobes
auntyalias: all hanging down
jakmiami: but from the side of the nose I get the earhole
auntyalias: depends on the face, depends on what look you want, so I go for the opening of the ear
auntyalias: as a gage
auntyalias: yes, the opening is in line with the side of the nose, and the lobes can be variables
auntyalias: so now we have the grid we need to build the ear
auntyalias: the start of the ear will be level with the face
auntyalias: for we don't have a ledge at the start of the ear
auntyalias: we can take a snake of clay and make a question mark
auntyalias: and lay it in that grid there
auntyalias: smoothing out the face side of the question mark to be level with the face
auntyalias: and the back side of the question mark can be sticking up somewhat
auntyalias: let me get some clay to do that
auntyalias: now it's a matter of smoothing the face side of the ear
auntyalias: we can put the hole of the ear in now
auntyalias: now the inside of the ear has all sorts of variations
auntyalias: but usually there's two indentations, a cross bar between them that's raised up
auntyalias: there's a bit of a flap in front of the hole, where our ear wax gets stuck when we're picking our ears
auntyalias: but other than that, there's not much more to ears that I can tell ya
auntyalias: the rest is making them even
auntyalias: the same size
auntyalias: having that cross bar on both ears, Denise did one ear with a cross bar and one without and didn't notice it until I pointed it out to her
jakmiami: about how far back do they go?
auntyalias: I guess that could vary too
auntyalias: Prince Charles and Princess Di had ears that ended up in very different places
auntyalias: but mostly... center of the side of the neck is what I'd do for them
auntyalias: unless I was making ears that are exaggerated out of humor
jakmiami: ok...mine seem to be coming out too big
auntyalias: it's a practice thing, I did a bushel basket of ears before mine started coming out right, even and the same size
auntyalias: since we're working from jaw, eyes, nose, those have to be in the right place first
auntyalias: or the ears will go wonky, following eyes that aren't even
auntyalias: following jaws that end in different places on the side of the face
auntyalias: you see?
jakmiami: yes indeed
auntyalias: so I'm going to do the other side and hopefully the features aren't cock eyed and the other ear will be the same size, I'll cross my eyes for luck
auntyalias: LOL
auntyalias: they are uneven
auntyalias: LOL
auntyalias: but you get the idea
jakmiami: yes, i see what you mean
auntyalias: his features are off center because I have his face tilted, it would have been better to map out the ears before twisting his head and tilting it down
auntyalias: but how far they should stick out is barely at all, somewhat or the owner of the ear won't hear things
auntyalias: not too much or it'll look goofy
jakmiami: how about making the ears separately (as a pair to get the size even) and then attaching them? Have you ever tried that?
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shargoose: All photos are up on the Epson site.
shargoose: Love the ear
jakmiami: looks good to me
auntyalias: Judith, I sort of do them one by one on the head, because I use the other features to guide me
auntyalias: if I made them separately and added them on I wouldn't feel confident about them being the right size
auntyalias: Sharon I'll go check the pictures and send an invite to the list. brb
shargoose: Let me know if you amnt any more fill in shots
shargoose: I took 96 and pared down to 31
shargoose: I ment want any more photos!
jakmiami: NJ, I've got a log of this, but couldn't figure out how to get screen shots (somebody else's computer)...if you want the log, I can email it to you
shargoose: I'd sure like to see it
shargoose: Wish I hadn't missed this
jakmiami: even without pix, it's pretty clear on placement and size
shargoose: Good.
shargoose: I do a lot of figures and ears are not easy!!
shargoose: I cover them with hair a lot
jakmiami: i haven't gotten to hair yet!
shargoose: I had to to cover the bad ears!!
jakmiami: tell you what...i'll edit out the chatter and then post it to the list
shargoose: Big thanks and hugs
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shargoose: NJ, I got 6 shots of the chevron cane.
shargoose: Was too busy making one to take too many pics
shargoose: But I could put those up seperately or on the leaf tin alblum